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Questions Addressed to Andrea Zittel by Theodora Vischer

Andrea Zittel: Living Units

Museum fur Geganwartskunst, Basel and Neue Galerie am Landesmuseum, Joanneum Graz. 1997.


theodora vischer What were the reasons for developing and producing the first Living Unit?

andrea zittel When I built my first Living Unit I had just moved to New York and was making animal breeds as my artwork. I was living in a tiny 200 square foot storefront with a large dog and a lot of other animals ranging from chickens to quails and house flies. Besides breeding animals themselves, I was also making "Breeding Units" which were furniture-like structures that I designed to influence and affect the ways in which my animals developed and interbred. I knew that these may sound a bit ominous, but they were in actuality quite nice. They looked like neat, clean, modern furniture and were very attractive and comfortable for the animals. My friend, David, welded the frames and I fashioned the paneled woodwork.

Because my space was so tiny, and because there was so much going on in it, it was extremely chaotic and always a real mess. One day I started thinking about how to deal with the chaos of my own life and decided to have David weld a frame in the 40 square foot space in which I was living. We devised the frame as a flexible grid system so that I could install cupboards, shelves and table exactly where I needed them. I built my loft bed on top of this structure. I used to refer to my first Living Unit as "a little nucleus of perfection" which could be transported to comfort and protect me no matter what sort of larger environment I might live in. It was also sort of like owning a home since it provided that feeling of consistency and security in my life. The process of building this Living Unit brought up so many issues that it eventually replaced my preoccupation with breeding. I also really like the fact that the issues I deal with by making furniture and living arrangements are often the same questions and issues that confront my audience in their daily lives.

tv How would you describe the benefits of living with your Living Unit ?

az My Living Unit was designed to restructure the things in my life which could have been seen as limitations into "luxuries." Qualities such as lack of space and cluttered environment were translated by my Living Unit into elegance and simplicity.

At the time that I made my first Living Unit I had developed a real infatuation with the language of modern design because it redefined luxury based on an arbitrary ideological code (like functionalism or minimalism) rather than on precious materials or ornate handwork. The idea that modernism inverted qualities which were once seen as the signs of poverty, or as being "common," into the signs of moral superiority and intellectual elevation completely fascinated me. It was value inversions like this that I found both ironic and wonderful. Of course these contradictions were even better when I could use them to enhance my own situation!

tv Did you observe imperfections in your Living Unit?

az I know that there are always plenty of "imperfections" in my work. Once I attended a conference discussing the "ideal office space." One of the speakers made the point that the perfect office space was actually one with flaws - because in the process of trying to correct the things that the user conslders flawed, he is able to assert himself more directly into his environment. It is when someone feels that they have identified an "imperfection" that they feel they have the right to change it. I really liked this observation a lot since it brought up the idea of future potential as end ideal, rather than perfection itself.

tv What have been your experiences during your use of the Living Unit?

az When I was working on my Living Unit, I envisioned that once I had perfected my unit, all of the other problems in my life would be solved. Interestingly enough, once I had "perfected" my unit, my life actually seemed rather dull. This led to my theory that most of us don't really want perfection in our lives. Rather, we want eternal progress to wards a distant and ever improving ideal. I lived with my first Living Unit for a little over a year, sometimes loving it and sometimes hating it. It was fun to change the interior because the parameters were so small. With a minimal degree of effort, I could establish rather dramatic changes. Accessories were constantly changing since there was never enough room to put everything out at once. I believe I changed the color behind the unit several times. I actually did quite a bit of entertaining in the unit. It was pleasant to cook in because I could stand about two feet away from my guest while preparing dinner. I was never lonely in my Living Unit! However, once a friend was just too overwhelmed by my confines of the unit that he just had to leave.

tv Is the concept and the form of the Living Unit influenced by your Californian origin and childhood?

az I grew up in what used to be a very remote area in the hills of Southern California. When I was born my dad and a few of his friends built our house. I always thought that it was funny because he built our house himself expressly so that it would uniquely express his and my mother's own special tastes and desires. Somehow though, in the end, our house looked just like all of the other homes built in 1965!

My dad's parents were immigrants from Germany and my mother came from a family of pioneering ranchers. I was brought up believing in science, rationalism and progress. My mom was always working on a new self-improvement scheme. Even cleaning and reorganizing the kitchen junk drawer could take on redemptive significance. My family subscribed to "Sunset Magazine" which inspired many home make-overs. It presented all sorts of different systems that one could construct in one's house to reorganize and perfect absolutely any area of one's life.

I remember being completely amazed when I began to notice many of the ways in which the things that I learned about the ambitions of the modernist European avant-garde seemed to resemble the optimism and the hunger for progress of my own home culture. Things like Le Corbusier's ideas for living seemed to be answered by the huge communities of planned housing around my own home. There was also an interesting (if temporary) sort of levelling effect, since everything was so homogeneous in its "newness." Most surfaces were new, clean, plastic and white.

Intellectually of course, we understand the failures or "death" of modernism. However, in the desires and expectations of our day to day lives we continue to have an almost superstitious faith in the inevitability of "linear evolution," in the possibility to constantly reconfigure our lives and in an unshakable belief in progress. I don't really see beliefs as "problems." In fact I am sometimes enchanted by the child-like innocence or optimism in the ability to cling to such faith.

tv Does the Living Unit need a certain context to "work" or is it appropriate everywhere?

az While I wouldn't really want to recommend one context over another, the situation in which you put a Living Unit definitely does affect its definition and function. When I made a Living Unit for myself at home it was really a process of personal exploration and experimentation. When I made several Living Units and started to sell and exhibit them, it made me think about much more public issues such as production and distribution, and about what sorts of roles my pieces would play in other people's lives.

I think it is really important that I keep in mind just who would be most likely to purchase a Living Unit. For instance a collector with a certain sort of relationship to the idea of art object would be more - likely to purchase one of my Living Units than a college student. Obviously I would like for my work to be used, but ultimately it is less likely that a collector would use it since they might have a certain attitude or "respect" towards art.

I am trying to find ways to address this dilemma, and it brings up some interesting issues pertaining to our perception or the function of art. For instance, would someone buy my furniture instead of a piece of Ikea furniture because they think that as art it answers a more moral or pure function than a regular product? Would they believe that art is not a commodity? Would they feel that my tastes or my vision is more important or "valuable" than their own personal desires? Do they think that it is important not to taint the singular vision or authorship of a product?


tv What person is especiaily qualified to own a Living Unit: a person who needs it essentially? Or rather a person for whom the Living Unit is an opportunity for an experiment?

az I would imagine that the person who would feel most "liberated" by a Living Unit, would be some one who was already surrounded by a lot of material possessions. It might even be that at times they feel that their possessions may in fact possess them! In this instance, the Living Unit would be a liberation and its minimal furnishings would be the ultimate luxury.

tv In addition to the Living Units you developed and produced other groups of works like the Comfort Units, the Beds, the Uniforms and the Travel Trailers. How would you describe the common thread that unites these different works?

az The common thread in most of my artworks is also the common thread in my own life. The best way that I can define it is by saying that I am always looking for the grey area between freedom (which can sometimes feel too open-ended and vast) and security (which may easily turn into confinement). I am always fascinated by the way a quality which initially appears to be liberating can suddenly turn out to be confining, and vice versa.

Being able to buy furniture that is "art" could be comforting to some people because they might feel that it was somehow inherently "better" than regular furniture: its existence would be validated by an ideological underpinning and of course it could always be an investment. This security, however, could become rather confining if they one day were to get tired of the color of the piece. Then they would just feel frustrated by the repression of owning this object. What if the artist decided that they could change the color of the object without altering its integrity as artwork? This might seem liberating until they actually get around to deciding on the colors. If they had read home decorating magazines or had consulted with a decorator they might realize that a whole science had been devoted to determining the right colors and wrong colors. In fact, what was the right color one year could even be the wrong color the next year ... so it goes on from here in what seems to be comforting becomes repressive and then what appears as a form of liberation, rolls over into something else again!

When I started making Travel Trailers I thought that owning a trailer was the way to access ultimate mobility and freedom. Then when I started traveling around in my trailer I realized that many people park their trailers in one location and then rarely move them. When I spoke to these people I found that they actually found freedom in the small aild intimate interiors of their trailers rather than in the extensive exterior world. Once again my original idea of how we access freedom was completely turned around! Now I am making Escape Vehicles which address some of these new understandings. With an Escape Vehicle one "escapes" by going inside of their own custom made little world, rather than by taking the vehicle to another geographical location.

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